Why Adding Indicators Hurts Your Trades

 
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by John Jagerson

I hear investing "instructors" suggest that adding several technical indicators will increase the probability of a successful trading outcome. This is a fallacy that plagues a lot of traders, especially new traders. Trading the market is not just a numbers game but there are some things we know about statistical analysis that can help you understand why this is a fallacy and why it can hurt your trading returns.Technical analyiss
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Assume that you are encouraged to use three different technical indicators. The first is a stochastics that has delivered a 40% probability of a successful trade in the past. The second indicator is a MACD with a 30% probability of success. The final indicator is a moving average with a 20% probability of signaling a successful trade. If you wait for all three indicators to agree, what is your probability of a successful trade?

Many of the instructors and authors I have seen would suggest that your probability is cumulative. Therefore, based on the numbers above your probability would equal 90%. It doesn't take long for traders to realize that simply adding indicators does not actually result in those kind of returns - why not?

Technical analysts are indicators to make a statistical estimate of a successful trade outcome. However because one technical indicator does not affect another the analysis is being conducted "with replacement." That is a statisticians way of saying that because the indicators cannot affect each other, merely adding more of them to a chart will not increase the probability of being right. In fact, from a statisticaly perspective, the probability of a successful outcome always going to be equal to the most accurate indicator or 40%.

The danger of this kind of analysis is that by waiting for confirmation from several indicators you have maximized the amount of lag before taking a trading signal by not taking action until they all agree. This decreases the average time you are in a trade and its profit potential. Assuming that risk control (stop losses) remain constant, you have shifted the risk reward ratio further out of your favor. That is a very dangerous thing to do.

The underlying message here is a positive one. Managing and waiting for a dozen indicators to agree is time consuming and confusing. Specializing and becoming proficient in your analysis by simplifying the tools you are using is easier and does not come with disadvantages. To learn more about technical analysis, click here.
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HUBERT  - i`d like to know   |2009-02-25 13:34:47
i`d like to know the doings of a succesful trader
John Jagerson  - Wouldn't we all   |2009-02-25 15:01:58
1. Diversify
2. Long term outlook
3. Adequate capitalization
Charles  - Indicators   |2009-02-26 04:55:47
What is your opinion on indicators that suppose to predict future price
movements? Have your try any of these?
John Jagerson  - Indicators   |2009-02-26 04:57:56
All indicators are used to try and forecast into the future. What specifically
are you referring to?
Charles  - Indicators   |2009-02-26 05:19:07
1.Foresight-A.I.,Foresight-A.I.™ is a market timing indicator that can
validate your pricing analysis by forecasting the times at which
high-probability trades may occur.
2.DiNapoli MACD Predictor – allows
traders to gauge the distance the market needs to go before the current position
is affected.
John Jagerson  - Indicators   |2009-02-26 06:11:35
I would put them in with everything else out there. They can be productive but
the analysis needs to stay simple and accommodate your own trading objectives.
The "predictive" components of these indicators are kind of a gimmick.
All indicators are "predictive" it just depends on how much work you do
compared to the work it does for you.
Barry  - Great Post   |2009-02-26 22:49:09
Great post John;
One of your best.
One of those "I should have had a
V8" type moments for me.
John Jagerson  - V8   |2009-02-27 03:01:02
Danke Barry. I am actually pretty passionate about that particular subject so I
am glad you liked it.
l3lewis  - Thank you John   |2009-02-27 03:16:19
John, Just want to drop you a note to say how grateful I am to you. Your work as
an educator is terrific and we are all much better off because of it. Thank you
sincerely.

Cheers.
Ryan O'Keefe  - Fantastic Article   |2009-02-27 04:55:52
Hey John,

This is a brilliant post, nice work. Indicators have their place,
but traders should quit chasing the holy grail of indicators.

Folks, FOREX is
just a market of buyers and sellers. Price moves on supply and demand which is
driven by the sentiment reached through the fundamentals and correlated
markets.

When price moves, it's not because the MACD crossed with the black
voodoo wavy line thingy.

Try specializing in one currency pair until you have
learned it's fundamental structure and can trade on it's price action.

It's
just a market, you don't need 5 indicators to tell you when it's time to buy or
sell.

Best of luck,
Ryan
mirko  - Volume indicator   |2009-02-27 08:23:24
John
I wander to know if you are using volume for analysis and if yes would
you make some comment on best use of it...
Thank you
John Jagerson  - Volume   |2009-02-27 12:31:48
Personally I think volume is helpful when studying price patterns. Volume
indicators, I suppose can be useful but I suspect a simple volume analysis is
probably best. Breakouts with strong volume are better than without and
consolidations with falling volume levels are usually more reliable.
OneJam  - Indicators   |2009-02-28 12:20:21
I agree with video/post. I started with many indicators 12 mths ago and I have
now realized that it is best to trade without and have been pulling them out of
my system one at a time. Understanding Demand/Supply and how order flow works is
the key to trading. John I purchased ur book and I am half way through it. Will
have to re-read it a couple of times. Great website pls keep it up and all the
stuff has really really taught be a lot. Look forward to the Fundamentals
Sections(Seesaw info) for FX being completed soon. A big THANK YOU.
John C Tirone   |2009-04-16 05:37:09
great article
fxretracer   |2009-05-02 14:28:23
Very succinct. Nice job.
Lekan Yusuf  - Better means than the indicators   |2009-06-21 21:06:50
which other pattern of trade do you advice other than using the indicators
please?
John Jagerson  - Indicators   |2009-06-22 01:30:58
Price patterns and a longer term outlook are usually very useful. If you want to
see a good review of a book on price patterns check out the stocks tab.
Harry  - Great post   |2009-09-10 23:01:25
Great post as usual...I have a quick question. I know you mention long term
trading as better as lot, but I have been trading for a year now, and I only
became profitable last month trading the 15 minute and hourly charts.

You
come from broker background, can you say for definite that shorter TF trading
will never be profitable in a very long run?

Appreciate your work!
John Jagerson  - Short term   |2009-09-11 02:34:06
Harry,

No I can't say that it is impossible for shorter term traders to be
profitable in the short term. In fact, I know that there are many traders who
are able to do it but they are extremely, extremely rare. Typically they have
some other kind of edge, like direct access to the markets and such so that they
can keep their costs at the absolute lowest.

What we can say is that the
overwhelming majority of short term traders get eaten alive in the long run so
the odds are against you unless you can come up with a material edge.
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